The prideful and boastful 6-8-5


I’d a wonderful conversation with Tom the other day through text (SMS) messaging. Tom patiently learns the Elements of Numbers (EON) method from me including the positive principles of applying the EON knowledge to help others.

Below is an extract of the conversation and I hope you’ll find useful tips along the way.

Tom: 6-8-5 suggests boastful personality, right? Most people with 6-8-5 that I’ve profiled appeared to be like this.

Ron WZ Sun: 6-8-5 is about person taking pride rather than boast. They worked hard (8) to ensure stability (6) at home. Pride and boast is different as the latter do not have substance while pride has backing because they’ve “been there, done that” personal experiences.

Tom: Sorry, I forgot to say that if 6-8-5 comes with 6-2 or 8-2 in some profiles, they may have negative representations.

Ron WZ Sun: It’s just that 6-8-5 with 2 talk more. You could say that they talk more because of pride (mental mindset, 6). If there is a 2 nearby they can be expressive and people look on such traits as boastfulness.

Tom: Correct me if I’m wrong, 6-2 talks about money and may not honour their words. 8-2 or 2-8, about 20% of them lie. I’ve a few negative experiences with people having 6-2 of not honouring their words or promises. I’ve learned to deal with these people in future if I ever come across them again.

Ron WZ Sun: 6-2 is like “money talk”. Yes, they may not honour their promises as 6-2=8 (giving excuses). 8-2 is more like communication problem as they could not think and focus what they want to say. Others tend to misinterpret their message.

Tom: Would a 6-2-8 with the 8 in location M suggest possible misplaced responsibility in being dishonest even more likely?

Ron WZ Sun: Possible but I won’t put it as dishonesty trait every time. Problem could lies with communication skills in explaining. Others may misinterpret what they say so dishonesty is because of “no action, talk only. “These people need to think before they talk and make sure they clear any doubts.

Tom: Then we also must dare to talk bravely, clearly, and decisively to this people despite a certain percentage of them can be dishonest. Some people with 2-6-8 or 6-2-8 at I-J-L just turned people off – I’m speaking from experiences after learning profiling.

Ron WZ Sun: Yes. Avoid misinterpretations where necessary with these people.

Tom: We must talk properly to all people, besides those with 6-2-8 or 2-6-8 profiles. Otherwise, they could take us for granted. That’s what I’ve learned. This applies to all interactions with human relationships. Thanks for guiding me.


That was the conversation Tom and I had, and I thought it’d come handy for you to learn about the tendency signs and traits. Although you can correlate some traits to the number patterns, you cannot assume the person would have inhibited such traits. Remember, a person’s behaviour, perspective, and action can be influenced by their family upbringing, environment, and social lifestyle.

Take the case of 6-8-5. There is a thin line drawn between boast and pride.

  • BoastfulnessOutspoken conceit. Show off. Speaking of oneself in a positive way with too much pride or self-indulgence; and
  • PridefulJoyful and proud especially because of triumph or success. A feeling of self-respect and personal worth.

People with 6-8-5 generally have more pride although at times, they tend to become more expressive, proud and boastful. These usually happens if there is a 2 in close proximity in their birth charts, or the presence of strong 2 (and even 7) in their Personal Year, Month, or Day charts.

I’ve highlighted to Tom we should always be mindful of a person’s feelings and sensitiveness when profiling on them. Telling someone they are “boastful” may create more “unwanted argument” than telling these people they do take “pride” in their achievements and the need to tone down. Which successful people are not proud of their success; boast or brags about how they have persevered and transformed every little failure to become an enriching learning experience?


We should not look at number patterns intrinsically. Every number can easily be influenced by different traits from surrounding numbers. Every number is independent and interdependent on other numbers around them to create the energies and vibes. By knowing how to control these vibes, maximise the positive ones and minimise the negative ones, you’d be in a better position to take charge of your own attitude, behaviours and actions. Even if you have a 6-8-5 in your birth chart, and someone says you’re boastful, just smile and don’t take it to heart and worry unnecessary. As 6-8-5 people normally have sleeping problems, less worries and thinking during sleeping time would create a better, soothing sleep for them and their sleeping partners.

For basic patterns on the numbers, you can get my book “Elements of Numbers: Fast and Easy Character Profiling”. If you’ve already bought the book, thanks for the support. And if you want to learn beyond number patterns, then join me at the 5th EON WORKSHOP sessions. If you’ve attended the Power of Numbers (PON) or Universal Character Method (UCM) Profiling course, you can extend your knowledge beyond what you’ve been taught by your mentors.

Apply the EON method to better understand yourself and others by changing your perspectives. And when you do so, you create the opportunity to live a healthier and happier lifestyle.


Regards, Ron WZ Sun


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